In the Exorcism, a minister of some form performed an 'exorcism' on one of his parishoners under 'scientific' conditions. The guy being exorcised was a re-born Christian, convinced that he was possessed by demons because sometimes he didn't want to do 'God's will'. He'd volunteered for the procedure. Basically, they plugged him in to an EEG (brain-monitor) to watch how his brain changed during and after the procedure. The programme lasted about an hour, while the excorcism itself lasted a little less than five minutes. Most of the rest of it was adverts, interviews with people representing many different religions, interviews with 'scientific experts' (who, apart from the two guys performing the experiment, were *all* Christian to one extent or another), and the introduction to the experiment ("This produces a squiggly line...") and some conclusions.
The other documentary I think I've mentioned on this journal before. It focussed on the incident with the Sikh play 'Dishonour' whereby loads of Sikhs mobbed the theatre in protest until the play was cancelled, and then there was the Jerry Springer: The Opera controversy. Their point was that religious groups are starting to claim that the limit to freedom of speech occurs when their beliefs are challenged.
Both of the two were worrying to me. The freedom of speech issue is a obvious one. I'm a scientist by training, and it's part of my nature to question things. When people start saying 'Oh, but you can't question that', I start getting worried. If it can't stand up to questions, then how solid is it, really? Plus, with the whole Jerry Springer: The Opera thing, I keep wondering what right anyone has to say that I cannot be exposed to anything that is against their religion? How many religions are there in Britain? Sikh, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, Catholic, Anglican, Baptist, Church of England, Church of Scotland, various forms of paganism... there's loads of them, and that's just off the top of my head! If we start to censor everything that goes against any of them, we'll end up with entirely beige TV. Not to mention theatre, books, poems, paintings, scuptures and other ways people have of expressing their ideas and doubts.
Now, I don't like discrimination any more than the next person. I try my utmost not to insult someone's religion. However, that doesn't mean I want to live their religion. I certainly don't want to be forced to observe all of them in my ideas and what I'm exposed to. So, I'm with
The Exorcism is perhaps less obvious. I don't believe that the guy was actually possessed by demons: it seems more likely to me that he simply personified his own weaknesses and perceived failings and needed a way to purge them so that he could move past them. The difference is basically a linguistic one, though. And that wasn't what worried me. What did worry me was that, in this programme that tried to find the science under the religion, much less than half of the programme was devoted to science. The rest focussed on the religion. There was only one person interviewed who suggested that the exorcism mught not be literally true. It was as if all the people who didn't believe had either been deliberately screened out of the programme or were too afraid to contradict their religious colleagues to say anything even remotely controversial. That smacks of limited freedom of speech, to me. The religious may down-say science if they wish, but any religious matter is, well, sacrosanct, and even those who do not believe may not gainsay it. I'm not saying there's a law in place, but the attitude on the television appears to be growing.
The other problem I had was with the science. The guy running the experiment was asked to explain it. He was reduced to using "squiggly line" to describe the output of the EEG. I mean, do I know too much about science, or is the science you see on TV actually getting more and more patronising?
This was another symptom of something I've been seeing before now. Kids at Holyrood have to take English right up to their fifth year at the school. They may, if they wish, drop maths after Standard Grades, though. This is a new development: when I was at school, English and Maths were given equal weighting. Why did they let them drop Maths? Almost certainly because it's hard.
Yes, English is fundamental to practically any career you may choose. But if you don't have maths, then you barr yourself from a variety of careers. All scientific ones, for a start. But it also teaches you logical thought, problem solving, detatching yourself from irrelevant details to focus on a problem, and the basic skills you will need if you're going to understand statistics. Statistics bombard us from all sides, but they're hardly even touched on at school. So who understands them? Only the science graduates? Maths is valuable, but it's the kind of thing you can't apreciate unless you've done it. Who's to say that someone who drops maths at sixteen won't regret it at twenty when they decide that they want to learn engineering? Or computer programming, or even some of the many careers that require good numeracy if not excellent maths skills?
Slowly, it appears to me that science is becoming distanced from the public. Journalists are practically exclusively arts graduates, who seem to fear the complications that science can bring. Issues such as genetically modified crops, global warming and stem-cell research are reported on by people who don't understand what they're saying, and the panic-response and "slippery-slope" arguments of the protesters are given as much weight as the science, if not more since the journalists can understand that bit. There are many programmes and documentaries about science, but if you look closer you'll see that most of the time they're not about science: they're about building drama, or resourceful charismatic people, or the history of science.
Science is asking questions and answering them. It requires knowledge of maths (to derive theories), experimental methods (to perform fair and unbiased experiments and draw valid conclusions from the results), and statistics (to work with errors in experiments and distributions of results). The number of planets in the solar system is not science. The statement that man evolved from apes is not science. These are simply answers that have been derived from science. The real science is "Hmm, we can see five of these planets with the naked eye, but are there others that we can't see?", and "I wonder why humans are so much more like apes than, say, lions, or fish, or flies...", and the process that allowed answers to those questions to be discovered.
As I see it, there are three possible routes to 'truth' in today's world: the objective, the subjective and the dogmatic. The objective is science, where the scientist observes and distills what is observed until he or she discovers what doesn't vary with observer, place, time, and calls that truth. The subjective is art, where paint, sculpture or words are used to let us see something from someone else's perspective, glorying in the human bias. The dogmatic is religion, where holy books or scriptures or laws are followed without question until the reward is achieved.
But I wonder: if God created the universe, and God created humankind, and humankind created the Holy Books then, even if God intervened indirectly, can we not learn more about God by studying the universe (science) or humanity (art) than by studying the holy books? So is the current pro-religion, anti-science trend not counter-intuitive? And if we let people give up on things because they are hard, are we not telling them that anything hard is not worth doing, when, in fact, exactly the opposite is true? After all, what Galileo did wasn't easy, what Marie Curie did wasn't easy, and what Jesus did wasn't easy. What if they'd simply given up, any of them?
February 27 2005, 17:50:48 UTC 7 years ago
Plus, with the whole Jerry Springer: The Opera thing, I keep wondering what right anyone has to say that I cannot be exposed to anything that is against their religion?
Hear, hear. I really regret not seeing it when it was on TV! And with all the fuss it seems doubtful that the BBC will screen it again. This is a large part of my beef with religion as a whole: fine, believe what you want. Live your life as you see fit, as long as you are not hurting anyone else. But don't you dare tell me (or anyone else) that we are sinful, or blasphemous, or whatever.
In England, core subjects are only compulsory up to GCSE. But they include English, maths and science. I'm not sure that making maths compulsory after 16 is really necessary - I managed fine in a career in science with only GCSE maths! Admittedly I retained a healthy hatred of statistics, but I did all right. With post-16 education being more specialised than pre-16, I'm not sure that making any subjects compulsory is a good idea. You only have so many chances to take subjects in which you're interested, and if "slots" are being taken up by compulsory subjects you're going to end up with students with a smaller variety of qualifications.
And I love your final paragraph. That's a beautiful argument, one that I'd never thought of before, and one that I shall certainly use if the occasion arises!
(Sorry if this is a bit disjointed, it's been a weird day and I had a phone call halfway through writing this)
February 28 2005, 18:43:02 UTC 7 years ago
Sure, go ahead and link!
As to post-GCSE education, I know you've been reading up on the Scottish education system, so you'll know that you do more Highers than it's common to do at A-level, and I think Highers are more significant in Scotland than AS-levels, which are the nearest English equivalent. Here, universities don't ask about Standard Grades, they ask about Highers. *Colleges* (and, for some odd reason, teacher-training institutes) ask about Standard Grades. But colleges don't teach science as a general rule. I did five Highers, English and Maths being the compulsary ones, leaving me with physics, chemistry and french. I think that's perfectly adequate, don't you?
But surely either both or neither should be compulsary post-16? Choosing English above Maths has no rational reason that I can see bar that maths is harder. Hardly the sort of message we need to send teenagers!
February 28 2005, 15:32:15 UTC 7 years ago
I don't really watch TV any more, so I don't really know what the standard of science on TV is like, but I know that when I hear science-related interviews etc on the radio, I feel that the interviewer is really struggling. In fact, this subject was raised on this week's Feedback programme on Radio 4, although it was dismissed almost out of hand. I can't remember where it was, but it might be worth skimming the programme to try and find it.
February 28 2005, 18:43:47 UTC 7 years ago
Thanks Raj. Perhaps I should get in touch with the BBC or Channel 4. Or even both!
March 1 2005, 08:46:35 UTC 7 years ago
Specifically - I didn't take Higher Maths - it wasn't compulsory and the teacher really made me doubt my abilities "you're either good at English or Math" and guess what, I was always good at English. I took Higher for 2 weeks, then dropped it and did a crash Higher in Modern Studies which I loved. I think I probably have missed out in a little part of my education but not doing more math - hence why I take as many stats courses in uni as possible! And oddly since leaving school I discovered I really like playing with numbers, it just takes me a little longer than for anything else and without a good teacher/tutor it becomes very fustrating.
Science on TV sucks. In fact it bites Bender's shiny metal ass and therefore can't manage to make a decent program at all. I used to love watching Horizon but in the last few years its got progressively worse - too much recapping and "lets say that another way Jim!" and not nearly enough debate on the important issues. Recent disapointments include the Homeopathy program - won;t even get started, the ADHD program - interesting but so just skimmed the surface and the Neanderthal program - full of so-called experts and very little content.
I started to watch the exorcism program - having watching the documentary on the film and true story before hand but I gave up after the first 15mins. The interviewer seemed to not really understand it and was trying to start an argument, and there's a distinct difference between a born-again repeated exorcism they described and the exorcism of "possessed" in the traditional sense human being.
The born-agains sounded very New Age and it would have been very interesting to discuss their beliefs and metaphors, but hardly appropriate for an experiment!
I think those are my most important thoughts right now - thanks Jo for inspiring me at half eight on a Tuesday morning!
March 16 2005, 10:29:06 UTC 7 years ago
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